People Unlimited, Inc. My experience with an Arizona cult
When I posted the blog, letter to XA, I recognize now that I was suffering a little bit from Stockholm Syndrome, and so I kept everyone anonymous when I shared my experiences with this cult as a guest, for about 4 months, in order to protect them. Even though I saw them very clear from the beginning, they were also very charming and entertaining. I liked them and at first I said to myself: this group believes in physical immortality and wants to live forever! What’s wrong with that, nothing, right? Well plenty! When it’s used to control people to make them believe that in order to be physically immortal they have to join their group and then be scared into believing that if they leave the group, they will die.
I will continue to keep individual names anonymous by only using their initials. I will however reveal the name of this charming cult, based here in Scottsdale, Arizona, to warn people of the dangers of joining a cult. This cult works hard at deceiving people, consciously or unconsciously, using deceptive tactics, such as brain washing and mind controlling techniques in order to regress people to the wounded child that they once were. Then, by keeping them stuck there, they can exploit, manipulate, and use them.
JB: You are so far out on limb that I’m sure you’re not interested in what I say and feel. If you were, you would have never deluded yourself to this extent.
Sylvie: I love being out on the limb! I have a better view from there!
I respect you more than you can ever imagine and I do care about how you feel. But it’s your true feelings that you have been so disconnected from for so long, that it would take years for you to get in touch with and discern what feelings and thoughts belong to whom, because they have been immersed with others for so many years.
I am glad this charade is over and I don’t have to pretend not to see what I really see — THE EMPEROR IS NAKED! I have learned that people are what they say they are not, because most people live in denial of who they really are. You all say that People Unlimited Inc is not a religion. But if I dissect it, that’s EXACTLY what it, is, with its brand new pretty, seductive, and attractive beliefs, plus, the brand new very alluring label. You see most religions believe in a god that no one can prove. People that believe in god say they feel it and some even proclaim god talks to them. People Unlimited Inc believes in physical immortality and they say it’s a feeling in the body too. Nobody has ever lived forever, and no one can prove it’s possible either. So it’s just a belief, just like believing in god, very much like most religions. Based on beliefs, like most religions, CB quotes the bible also to provide evidence that what you are saying is true.
I don’t have beliefs anymore. There are things I know and there are things I don’t know. When we know instead of believing we will find the courage to be true to ourselves. Beliefs are passed down to us so they should be received with doubt. To know comes from within.
Every person I’ve encounter on this planet so far suffers from some type of denial and People Unlimited Inc suffers from the ultimate denial — Denial of Death! Today I have more vitality than ever before and I am more immortal and alive than anyone at People Unlimited Inc. Will I feel this way forever? I don’t know and I am not worried about it. I am just going to enjoy this feeling for as long as I can hang on to it.
You are the one that joined a cult. If someone is deluded here, it has to be you. I understand that you were very young, in a war zone at the time. I cannot image what that was like, being in a war zone hearing bombs. I hope I never know what that is like. You were a very vulnerable young guy trying to figure out your path in life when these very charismatic people, with their very seductive beliefs and alluring label, captivated you and now it must be very painful to have to face and feel that you have wasted 20 years of your life with this illusion. It’s starting to take an affect on your body and could bring you premature death. How ironic that death is what you are all trying to avoid. Nothing can affect our mental and physical health more than believing in lies and illusions.
JB: I can assure you that my life is entirely of my own making and I am very pleased with the achievement thus far. More so now than ever.
Sylvie: I know this is painful and hard to hear, but joining a cult and getting involved intimately with the cult leader that is 30 years older than you, older than your mother (by just a few months), but still older than your mother and allowing her to control and manipulate you, no matter how fun, seductive, and charismatic the leaders are, is not an achievement to be proud of.
If what you are saying is true, you would not be upset by my observations. When people tell me things about myself that are not true and I am sure in my heart that I am right, I just smile and say: Really?
JB: My health is increasing every day and on a deeper level of the body than you can possibly be aware of. I think you are too insecure to be anything but the “teacher” and so you just teach, teach, teach even when there is something huge for you to learn. In fact, the more insecure you feel, the more you act as “teacher.”
Sylvie: I hope your health is better and you are feeling better and better.
Your words above are pure projections — who are the teachers/preachers, really? Who preaches/teaches, preaches/teaches, and preaches/teaches in front of a congregation? I think the more insecure you all become, the more you all preach/teach and refuse to look at reality and the facts. Children that are preached to, learn how to preach and that is exactly what BB is doing. She came from a family of preachers and she learned her childhood lesson very well. Her son, KB has also learned that lesson very well. The only thing that has changed was the beliefs and the brand new seductive label. Everything you had written in the last e-mail is just pure projections and transferences of disowned feelings that you and BB can’t admit to. The more insecure you all feel, the more dependent you all become on your congregation that play the role of the “good child” so you can use them to project your disowned feelings and insecurities.
JB: There’s a saying – a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And you’ve got it.
Sylvie: I might have little knowledge, but I acquired the right knowledge! It’s not the quantity that matters, but the quality. A lot of people acquire what I call empty knowledge that only serves to impress, control, and to manipulate people, but has no real value whatsoever and what’s really sad is that most people carry poisonous pedagogy and go around infecting everyone with it. So again, whose knowledge is dangerous? You guys are the ones using your knowledge with disconnected truths or lies coated with little bits of disconnected truths to control and manipulate the followers of People Unlimited Inc, so they stay dependent or stuck in the role of the child.
JB: From emails you’ve sent me I know you give this same treatment to many people, so I am not different in that. You have the same story for everyone and that is control plain and simple.
Sylvie: Most people I write to don’t share your opinion. Look deeper and see who is being controlling and controlled. I just dared to say that the EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES ON. I share what I see and feel and you can agree or disagree. If you could seen it too, that, THE EMPEROR IS NAKED, that would have been great for your health and liberation. But if you don’t see it, then you are going to suffer the consequences of being emotionally blind. What you do with the information I gave you is your business. You can choose to reflect on it or discard it. The choice is yours.
The fears you all feel are the internalized fears of the children you once were, of parents’ punishments, and you are projecting them on me, because I triggered them. I however am not the cause of your fears and anger. I am just the trigger, because I spoke of the things you don’t want to, or are not ready to look at, because they are to scary and painful to admit, face, and feel. If you keep projecting these fears and this anger onto scapegoats, it will never get resolved. Only when we understand the roots of our fears, anger, and pain, does it get resolved. It starts to diminish and eventually leaves our body completely and can never be triggered by anyone no matter what, because it’s not inside our bodies anymore to be triggered again and again. We will have no more buttons in us to be pushed, certain presents events might still remind us of past trauma, but will no longer through us off base by regressing us to the wounded child we once were and we remain the adult we are now and deal with the present situation in a lucid manner.
You all say it’s good to stir people up and push their buttons. You love to use this slogan, “Face everything and avoid nothing.” I felt this was just a slogan to manipulate the followers of People Unlimited Inc. It did fool me for a little while, but I was conscious that it could be just a slogan like the slogans politicians use to get our votes. Now I have conformation on it, because when someone comes along and stirs you guys up and pushes your buttons and puts some facts and realities in front of you, you guys don’t like it and you get defensive. Behaviors like this, what do they call them? Oh yes, it’s called hypocrisy. Also you guys say that we have to get the ego out of the way. The leaders try to break the followers’ ego, so they can control them. But the ego can be a good thing to have, because it protects us from being exploited by others — and again, who has the biggest ego in People Unlimited Inc, if not the leaders.
JB: Your sisters have made more of an impression on you than you admit.
Sylvie: I have dealt with my internalized sisters and there might be residue left. If it does come to the surface I recognize it right away and now know how to handle it. Until today my ex was the only person that triggered my internalized older sisters and he was the only one I reenacted them with. Now I am very conscious of my internalized older sisters and I will be very careful not to reenact them again with anyone else. Now let’s look at you. Aren’t you reenacting your internalized mother by lashing out at anyone that questions your beliefs — just like your mother did to you when you used to question her?
JB: Without invitation, you saw me in the hospital at my most vulnerable. You’ve abused that intimacy by judging me according to your own narrow agenda. You say you care, but your caring is twisted with judgment. And your judgment is ignorant and banal.
Sylvie: I am sorry if you felt violated by me stopping at the hospital to see you. I thought we were friends. Now it’s very clear to me that if I don’t become a member of People Unlimited Inc I will be treated like an outsider. This is one of the reasons why this cult can be dangerous. It tries to control and manipulate the members contact to the outside world. While everyone thought I might become a member, I was treated very nicely, but in the moment I said I could not become a member I was then treated like I was a bad person, as if everyone in the outside world is bad. When we are not emotionally blind, it’s very easy to see where everyone is at, at any given moment and no one can fool us anymore.
I saw your situation very clearly so I was very aware of the risk I was taking by hiring you to help me on this project. You are a talented writer and I hope one day you use your talent for truth instead of using it to deceive yourself and others.
Also, you are the one judging me to your narrow agenda. So who is twisted with judgment? And whose judgment is ignorant and banal? I understand your situation and it is sad seeing you falling victim to illusions.
JB: You’ve taken me lightly. You’ve missed me completely. You’ve dismissed my own expression as if it means nothing compared to your little corner of knowledge.
Sylvie: I see you clearly and I understand why it’s so hard for you to acknowledge the truths I am talking about. You are the one taking yourself lightly. If someone is missing something, it’s you missing yourself completely and that is what’s really sad. If we don’t miss ourselves, it does not matter if others miss us or not. So if I missed you, it would not have mattered, if you were not missing yourself.
Again, try to look a little deeper and see who really is dismissing you. Your body has been screaming at you to pay attention and you are ignoring its signals and refusing to explore the real causes of your pain. If someone is dismissing someone, it is you dismissing yourself. You are the one dismissing your own body’s expression as if it means nothing compared to your little corner of your intellectual knowledge.
JB: But you can’t dismiss this: I don’t associate with people who don’t respect me and my life. I know you have problems in your life and that you are trying to work them out by working on other people. But nothing excuses the lack of respect you show me.
Sylvie: Again, let’s look a little deeper to see who doesn’t respect themselves. When I debated to become a member (I can’t believe I even debated it, thinking maybe I could be of help to the People Unlimited Inc. members), I came to my senses and realized that becoming a member would jeopardize my achieved autonomy. I am not willing to give up my autonomy now to anyone.
In my last meeting with BB, she insinuated that if I became a member and I liked JB, she was willing to give him up and let me have him if I wanted him. So who would sell you just to acquire one more member? Again, who is disrespecting who?
I don’t get tempted or distracted by attractions anymore. I am very aware what that can mean — repetition of the past and I don’t go there anymore. My path is forward and I’m not going to repeat the past. No matter how seductive and alluring the new label may be, she can have you all for herself. You are a very talented and attractive guy, but I am not about to become a member of a cult so I can be with an attractive guy that has a talent I wish I had. I did crazy stuff like that with my ex and I am not repeating crazy stuff like that ever again. I did a lot of emotional work and I finally broke free from the emotional prison I was born into. I am not going to give up the freedom I achieved and join a cult for anyone.
And also, who is guiding and counseling a congregation? If anyone is working on others without solving their problems first, it’s you. I also don’t get involved intimately with people that unconsciously or consciously choose to believe in lies and illusions no matter how seductive, charismatic, attractive, and talented they are.
JB: I will complete the section of the project I’m working on that you’ve paid for and that is it. I’ll send it to you and arrange to return to you the materials of yours I’ve got. That will be the end of it. You always worried about this process getting interrupted and now you have created it. The sabotage is yours.
Sylvie: Again, the only life that is being sabotaged here is yours. I know without a doubt that I am on the right path and this, for me, is just a bump in the road. This project will get done with or without your help; it will just take a little longer. I have made a lot of money and lost a lot of it and I have learned the money lesson and I am grateful. I made a lot of money so I could pay for the very expensive money lesson and now I am totally detached when it comes to money. I know I can always make more. Don’t bother finishing the last pages, because I know your heart is not in it and I don’t want anyone to work for me unless their heart is in it. Keep whatever money is left as a gift and just send whatever you have done along with the notes I have sent you. I also felt you found my website and thought I was still the wounded child I talked about in my story and that you all could use, exploit, and manipulate like a puppet — and that is why you contacted me. That was a HUGE MISTAKE, because I am probably one of the very few people you will ever meet that has truthfully dealt with her repression and for that reason, I am no longer in the victim/child role for the unconsciously repressed people in power positions to use and to project and transfer their disowned feelings and insecurities onto, no matter how charismatic and beautiful there are. I now have proven that my feelings and perceptions were correct. You guys are not safe to be involved with at the intimate level. I made the right decision in not becoming a member of People Unlimited Inc. Wishing you much courage and strength to face and feel your painful truths and if you ever need someone to talk to, I will be forever available. Sylvie
JB: As you wish . . . Here are the notes for the last three sections of the project. If you will provide your work address, I will drop the books and letters off there.
Sylvie: Thank you JB, don’t worry about the books. You are welcome to keep them, maybe one day you all find the courage to read them and help you all deal with your repression and become a true enlightened witness to yourself and everyone that comes through People Unlimited Inc and help you all become more real and not so afraid because when we really deal with our repression and become real, there is nothing to fear. Just send the letters to my P. O. Box I am not in the business of hurting people, but helping people become real and free in the kindest way I possibly can. I am not perfect, just like no one is on this planet and I know sometimes I can be brutally honest, I am accused of that all the time and I apologize for that, but I feel the truth is the best gift we can give to anyone and we must have the courage to speak it, even at the risk of triggering people’s fears, anger and pain and projecting it into me and blaming me for it. Michael Jackson might still be here with us today if he had someone in his life with courage to speak the truth to him. This situation showed me that I am becoming a lot better at handling other people’s transference.
Sylvie: Last night I dreamed about you and BB! I dreamed I stopped by your house for a visit! I wish we did not have so many differences between us and we all could spent time together, but for now that’s the way it is. I know in spite of our differences, you all are good people and maybe someday our differences will be dissolved. I hope you are feeling all better, but I still worry about your health and well being, because I feel that there are things you need to see in your life and make a few adjustments in your personal life that until you do that your back and health is going to continue to suffer, you have been carrying an emotional load that does not belong to you for tooooooooo many years and that’s why your back is suffering and until you let go of this emotional load and give it back to the right person your health and back will keep getting aggravated, but because your loyalty you are not completely being true to yourself and when we are not true to ourselves our health suffers. When I read Norman’s and Alice Miller’s words below you come to my mind.
Saying the truth or being loyal
Dear Alice Miller, feel free to publish this letter in your website, if you find it interesting.
In your post “Barbara’s Forum 2”, you write that instead of understanding you received personal attacks. I am sorry to hear that, because I was personally attacked as well. Like you, I was attacked after I criticized IFS therapy (in my forum). Why did I have to be attacked? Because I expressed disagreement with a person I was supposed to be “loyal” to?
Criticism is important when we work to find the truth; sometimes, this truth is more important to me than “loyalty”. It is not possible to have one’s own opinion and to say that everyone is right at the same time. There is a difference between the truth and lies, and you have shown in numerous examples that the body also knows it. No postmodern philosophy or eclectic naivete can change this basic fact of life. The truth is not always easy to accept, of course. It is often painful and unwelcome. Besides, it makes us mad when someone else points a finger and says “you’re wrong”. But what if he is correct?
You were attacked personally because you “dared” to criticize and to break your “loyalty” in order not to betray yourself and your convictions. Some people obviously thought that this was reason enough to try and punish you. To me it was familiar, because this is what my mother did whenever I dared to question her versions of the truth: to punish me, to try belittling me.
This was the dictatorship I grew up in, like so many other readers, I am sure. Certainly, this is how my persecutors’ mothers had done to them in childhood: punished them for criticism. What other reason can there be for their behavior? Seemingly free from their mothers, they fight their scapegoats in the name of freedom. They were taught that to criticize is a crime against humanity, and that they have to always smile with agreement, unless they are treated with the most brutal sadism possible. They were told to keep their opinions to themselves because it is rude to disagree. Such people’s rage is understandable. Every child needs her parents to appreciate and listen to her opinions. What is less acceptable is their behavior and hypocrisy as adults. N.
AM: I agree with you. Fortunate are the few children who can express their criticism, who are listened to, taken seriously and understood by their parents. They receive a precious gift for their whole life. But for most of children saying the truth meant mortal danger. They are often brutally punished simply for saying frankly what they feel and think. As adults they often use the same means as their parents used before, without being aware of what they are doing. They are blindly attacking everybody who questions their traditional “opinions” given by their parents. Their children can’t do anything else than to obey and staying loyal. Only adults can take legal actions if it comes to criminal harassment or severe defamation.
JB: Sylvie – I am feeling better every day and I’m very happy about it. You’re speaking in code here and you’re not being clear about what you are getting at. But I honestly don’t think you’ve gone to the depth to understand me or what I have been through. To be very frank with you, your worry feels a lot like control. I am not controllable, so you might as well give it up. I’m hopeful you can reflect on yourself and get what I mean about being controlling, because it will free you in ways that would be wonderful for you. I can tell you that for me this control is totally boring and dead. My not responding to it is the best encouragement I can give you to let go.
Sylvie: Hi JB, I am glad to hear you are feeling better every day. Thank you for writing and expressing your feelings. I understand your feelings and where they coming from, even though those feelings are being misdirected, in order to protect a person you love in your life, seeing the people we love in our lives clearly, does not mean we love them less, to the contrary we can be more helpful to them and ourselves. You have been controlled and manipulated for many years and your anger is justified, but directing it at the wrong person does not get resolved and this has been the main reason you have back problems and I am pretty sure if you had seen this earlier and taking this person off your back your back would have healed without surgery. I have been trying to help you see it, because that would help your overall health and in the process free you to be able to write my project effortlessly and the fact that you cannot see yourself and the people in your life clearly it might affect my project, time will tell, I am totally detached and whatever happens, happens, but of course I would like you to take this job to the end, because you are a very talented writer and I can only image how high you could fly if you could break free. If you don’t want to deal with me and the material of my project please be honest with me and let me know and just finish the last paid pages and we will be done and you will not have to deal with me anymore. The fact that I cannot express myself freely with you, it is becoming very uncomfortable and I am getting tired of tiptoeing in egg shells. I understand you are not ready to see certain things in your life and I will give up trying and let it go, and I apologize for even trying. I know I cannot make someone see that don’t want to or are not ready to see, because me trying to force someone to see that would be reenacting my childhood drama all over again, so I will let it go. But please know if you ever ready and need someone to talk to I am available forever. Sylvie
JB: Sylvie – speak plainly. Who are you saying is the person manipulating me?
Sylvie: JB, I wish you could figure it out for yourself and I know it’s hard, painful for you to see that you are repeating, reenacting your childhood drama, the first manipulative person in your life was your mother and you freed yourself from her, but you found the mother of manipulation, a more sophisticated, smarter, charming and manipulative person to take over where your mother left off and your childhood drama continues, but now with brand new seductive label. I am not going to mention her name because I like her too, but if you don’t get this person of your back your health will continue to suffer. If you could take a vacation alone, maybe visit your family for awhile and spend as much time alone as possible to be with your true feelings and thoughts without the interference of others feelings and thoughts, it might help you see for yourself and sort it all out, so you can see what feelings and thoughts are truthful yours, because when we are in the middle of things it’s hard to see the roles everyone is playing and what feelings belong to whom. Of course this is just a suggestion. And I can’t be more bluntly then this. Wishing much courage to see yourself and others clearly, Sylvie
Subject: Received Letters — Thank you SAT, 10-31-10 8:59 AM
If you ever gather the courage to see and feel the painful truths behind the beautiful veil of People Unlimited Inc. You have a friend here forever that really understands. You know how to find me.
JB: I’m sorry you feel that way, Sylvie. You are so far out on limb that I’m sure you’re not interested in what I say and feel. If you were, you would have never deluded yourself to this extent. I can assure you that my life is entirely of my own making and I am very pleased with the achievement thus far. More so now than ever. My health is increasing every day and on a deeper level of the body than you can possibly be aware of. I think you are too insecure to be anything but the “teacher” and so you just teach, teach, teach even when there is something huge for you to learn. In fact, the more insecure you feel, the more you act as “teacher.” There’s a saying – a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And you’ve got it. From emails you’ve sent me I know you give this same treatment to many people, so I am not different in that. You have the same story for everyone and that is control plain and simple. Your sisters have made more of an impression on you than you admit. Without invitation, you saw me in the hospital at my most vulnerable. You’ve abused that intimacy by judging me according to your own narrow agenda. You say you care, but your caring is twisted with judgment. And your judgment is ignorant and banal. You’ve taken me lightly. You’ve missed me completely. You’ve dismissed my own expression as if it means nothing compared to your little corner of knowledge. But you can’t dismiss this: I don’t associate with people who don’t respect me and my life. I know you have problems in your life and that you are trying to work them out by working on other people. But nothing excuses the lack of respect you show me. I will complete the section of the project I’m working on that you’ve paid for and that is it. I’ll send it to you and arrange to return to you the materials of yours I’ve got. That will be the end of it. You always worried about this process of writing your project getting interrupted and now you have created it. The sabotage is yours. JB
JB “s past e-mails
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:19 AM
Hi JB, I was pleased with our meeting yesterday! And I am looking forward to go with you on Friday to People Unlimited Inc, but I have to be honest with you that I am a little skeptical! I went to the website and I like a lot of the staff I read, especially how our beliefs is what gets us into trouble. I tell people that I don’t have beliefs anymore! There are things I know and there are things that I don’t know! When we know instead of believing, we will have the courage to be true to ourselves. Beliefs are passed down to us, so they should be received with doubt! Of course, now, that I am living my real life, I would love to prolong it for a very long time! But forever! I don’t know if such thing is possible! I usually say: the first 20 years of our lives, our family screw us up and the second twenty years of our lives we unconsciously and compulsively keep repeating, recreating, reenacting our childhood drama over and over again… for those of us fortune to have courage to explore and look at the naked true and capable of feeling all of our feelings and repressed emotions, we are able to free ourselves from the vicious circle and if we live until we are 90, we really only get to live 50 years of our true life!!! See you Friday, Sylvie
RE: Thursday, February 18,2010 10:24 AM
Just after I sent you an email I got yours. Your skepticism is perfectly understandable and I’m glad you’re coming to see for yourself. As you say, we spend a lot of time getting clear of old baggage, so I say the best is yet to come!
From: Sylvie Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:26 PM To: JB Subject: Re: I had fun last night!!!
Hi JB, I hope you are having a good weekend. Now that I have gotten a good night sleep and able to reflect on everything; I have a few questions. As I said yesterday I had fun Friday night and enjoyed the singers, dancers and listen to the things they were saying, because I identified with most of it, NOT ALL OF IT! And for sure would love to go back a Friday here and there and spent time with these fun people. As I said to the leaders, it has been a very long journey to get to the place I am now. Now looking back I see clear through the manipulations and able to articulate how I truly feel! I am curious how long exactly you have been with People Unlimited Inc? And how exactly you were feeling at the moment you join the group? Also have you ever taken a break from the group? Like stopping going for long periods of time? And if you have taken a long break from People Unlimited Inc did the old feelings comeback? I hope that you don’t feel I am being intruding, but it’s important that I can have an open honest relationship with the person that is going to help me write my project. I hope you mean the words “Face everything and avoid nothing.” I have shared with you that Deepak Chopra is my favorite charlatan because I really enjoy listen to most of what he has to say; I feel people like him that are very articulate and say very seductive words and beautiful things that make us feel good, and keep us numb, just like a drug. My experience has been the same as Alice Miller’ as she says in her article “The Longest Journey” “…It has taken me all my life to allow myself to be what I am and to listen to what my inner self is telling me, more and more directly, without waiting for permission from others or currying approval from people symbolizing my parents.”
I am feeling the group People Unlimited Inc could become the substitute parents and wants their followers dependent on them, just like parents/care takers enjoyed controlling, manipulating and having their children dependent on them. The more controlling, manipulative and abusive the families of origin are the more their children become dependent on them or the more vulnerable they become in adult life to become dependent on charismatic people symbolizing their parents and staying trapped in the type of relationships that one plays the role of parent and others playing the role of the child. Another example is the followers of the secret by James Arthur Ray, he symbolizing their parents/caretakers and the followers “the good children” following his directions without question themselves and two paid the price with their lives for this mistake. Another example is religion; religion the all powerful parent and the followers permanent in the role of a child. Our goal is to become independent adults, stand on our own two feet without crutches. I am going to share with you in the link below three e-mails I sent to Oprah, I am sure she never read them! But what I said to her gives an example of what I am trying to say here and a blog I posted on facebook about Oprah.
Also read the blog Oprah is more concerned about her image than the truth and facts
Have a good day and talk more later, sylvie Hi Sylvie, yes the weekend was excellent. I thought of you and wished you could have been there. I appreciate you opening your feelings to me about your experience with us at People Unlimited Inc and I want you to always feel free to do that. I’m in a bit of a rush this morning catching up with work, but I’ll be happy to tell you about my own experiences and to talk further. I think it’s important to look at everything so you can see how you really feel about us. We actually talked some about the parent thing this weekend, how each person has to experience being physically immortal for themselves. Yes, we have great people to lead things, but ultimately it’s personal, it comes down to each one of us experiencing who we really are. We are serious about ending death, that means ending all the old structures and manipulations and roles people have played with each other, because those are the boxes that turn into coffins. So we’re about being out of the box all the way! I’m glad you’ll be with us on Friday, because it’s an ongoing unfolding of our lives and you can feel free to open your questions at events as well.
Talk to you soon!
JB From: Sylvie Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:55 PM To: JB Subject: RE: I had fun last night!!!
Hi JB, thank you for writing. The part I had a problem with was when BB and JS said: them needing us and we needing the group that we need to have both feet in the group, not one foot in and one foot out and the need to attend all the time. I see that as trying to manipulate people to feel they need the group or vice versa, to achieve the feeling of being a live, immortal; to me, that is a reenacting all over again a dependent relationship, like parent and child, one being in the role of parent (the leaders) and the other being in the role of a child (the followers). I am great example that we can achieve this feeling without being dependent on anyone or group; actually we will never achieve freedom, autonomy if we remain stuck in a dependent relationship. Today I feel immortal! And I am completely a live! Will I feel this way forever? I don’t know and I am not concerned about it. I achieved this state alone with the help from the books and website of Alice Miller without being dependent on her or her on me, we do need a true enlightened whiteness, but that can be anyone and be in a form of a book, not a specific person or group. Whenever you have extra time read the article “The Essential Role of an Enlightened Witness in Society” in the link below. I will try to share some day in the events as well, but I am not use to talk in front of an audience and will not be easy for me, but I see it as a great opportunity to practice talking in front of an audience. Talk more soon, Sylvie
RE: I had fun last night!!! Thursday, 2-25-10 9:56 AM
Hi Sylvie – if you can listen to the radio show today it just might help with some of your concerns – 1100 am or 1100kfnx.com. I know this is last minute warning again . . .
Best, JB From: Sylvie Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 9:01 AMTo: JB Subject: need to clarify something…
Hi JB, Yesterday I enjoyed the entertainment and listen to everyone expressions! You guys are a lot of fun and good people to be around! Next Friday I will have to go to People Unlimited and get up and express, because I will have to add to my last night expressing. Yesterday I said I arrived at this place of happiness and joy alone, its true, but is not the complete truth and being completely honest is the only way I can be. BB says: that we need the support of other people, which is very true; we cannot make it alone without finding the support of another like minded person, but where I don’t completely agree is that it has to be at the physical level. I arrived here alone physically, but I got the support from another person that could see exactly what I saw and felt, but that support came through books. And I found this support at crucial time, because I don’t think I would have survived much longer alone with the Knowledge I always new. I hope you are having a good day and free of pain. Best wishes, sylvie
From: JB Subject: RE: need to clarify something…To: “‘Sylvie Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 11:25 AM
Sylvie – I’m so glad that you did find the support you needed, however it came. What we’re looking at now is about being here forever. I don’t think a book is going to do it for any of us in that regard. To live forever, it’s going to take people. This is a big one, because death comes by way of people too, which makes us not want to go too deep with people. So it has to be the RIGHT people. And we have to have the awareness of the difference. And that’s a huge thing to get in touch with! But then again, we are huge people, right?
Best, JB From: Sylvie Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:24 AMTo: JB Subject: RE: need to clarify something…
Hi JB, Nice to hear from you — How have you been feeling? You have been in my mind a lot. I hope your pain has not been bothering you too much. I used to suffer from allergies and I have no doubt the reason I suffered from allergies was because of my childhood repression and as soon I made the connection and consciously felt the repressed emotions, still in me, from my childhood, the allergies left me. My allergies got really bad! Constantly running nose! Like a faucet! Eyes burning! I could not breathe! It was really bad! I am sooooo happy to finally be free from this condition and never have to take another allergy pill. When the time arrives that repression no longer works, the body symptoms get worse and worse to force us to pay attention and listen to the child we once were and feel the true emotions still repressed in us. It reminds me of Alice Miller’s words to one of her readers: “…..To give the Drama to your parents will hardly help you. Even if your parents changed, miraculously, the memory of what happened to you when you were a small child will stay unchanged and will need your feelings of pain and anger to be able to bring you the health and freedom you are looking for. ….” ….I went through this illusion for years, writing letters to my family and sending all of them books, but they could not face, see the truth and feel their repressed emotions and at the end I had to feel my pain of coming from a family that lacks courage and are not capable of seeing and feeling, and I had to feel all of my repressed emotions alone. I remember one day going through my rage towards my family and rip some of their pictures that I had with me in the States. Like Alice Miller said to his reader even if they “miraculously changed” I still would have to feel my repressed emotions and nothing could ever have change that. ….
Sometimes I feel a little concerned that ghost writing my project might trigger painful repressed emotions and if you are not ready to deal with you will lose interest in ghost writing my project. Looking forward to see you tomorrow, Sylvie
From: JB Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 03:59 PMTo: SylvieSubject: RE: need to clarify something…
Hi Sylvie – thanks for your email and I’m glad you enjoyed the radio show. I am doing really well and am looking forward to your project. I’m not afraid in the least. So pls. don’t worry about that. The thing that bothers me the most is boredom. And I don’t think you’re project is going to be boring. I’ve been through a lot of tough things both before and after I woke to physical immortality. I went through a lot with my family and experienced a lot of frustration trying to get them to see what I saw. Finally I gave it up – one of the best things I ever did.
I agree that repression of childhood experiences can wreak havoc in the body. But I don’t think it’s the cause of all pain in the body. Sometimes we just need extra work in certain areas to build up our bodies from wear and tear, such as sports and sitting at a desk a lot and stuff like that.
My main childhood related thing was emotional pain. The more I woke up, the more I became aware of the depression in my body. It used to be a daily battle for me, but I never accepted it that I was supposed to be depressed. Quite the opposite, I knew it was a lie so I just kept going, until now I just don’t feel it anymore. This is great.
I will get you an estimate for the project by this weekend. See you tomorrow!
JB From: sylvie Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:58 AMTo: JBSubject: the danger of gurus
OPEN LETTER TO THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE FORUM – MAY 2001
To Steven and all the others: I’m not a guru.
Hi Steven, thank you so much for having raised the issue of “guruism” and your mistrust that I share with you. To be a guru-believer and wanting to grow is in my opinion a contradiction in itself because a guru sells his “wisdom” at the price of people’s authenticity. I hope that nobody here will need to see in me a guru, especially if you make them aware of this danger to them, as you convincingly did in your letter of May 16 to Anna.
You wonder about my childhood. Like you I was a stranger to everybody in my family. Today, I know for sure that I was unwanted, rejected from the conception on, never loved, emotionally completely neglected, and used for the needs of others. But above all I was lied to, I grew up with a perfect hypocrisy. My parents, both absolutely unconscious of their true feelings, pretended to love me very much, and I believed this (because I so much needed this illusion) for more than 40 years of my life until I started to suspect the truth hidden behind their pretensions, hidden probably to them too.
Suspecting is not yet as much as knowing for sure but it was the start. It took me 20 years more to get rid of my denial because I was so alone with the knowledge of my body and my dreams, and a wall of denial surrounded me wherever I opened my mouth. Writing and painting were the only ways to continue with my search without being offended and “punished” for being the troublemaker.
The reactions to my writing showed me that what I discovered for me was true also for some others. I felt then less alone. I began to work with groups of young parents and found again and again the same pattern, the emotional blindness of parents who were afraid of confronting their past traumas and inflicting them unconsciously on their children. And now we are finding it together on this forum. Thus, for the first time in my life I no longer feel like a stranger, I feel belonging to a group of people who think like me, whom I don’t need to convince, to inform, to shake, to wake up. I am here with people who are not scared by what I am saying, who understand me because they have known the same terror, who say so many things that move me profoundly and with whom I can openly communicate like I always wanted but was not given the chance.
This is more than I ever dared to wish. Talking freely about one’s feelings, without using the well-known conventional defenses was in my opinion possible only in dreams or on another planet. And now, surprisingly to myself, this became reality. Unbelievable!
So please don’t see me like a guru, this would again put me in a special position where I no longer want to be. I am not your teacher or leader, am not giving advices or imposing anything on you, I am not your mother or grandmother, I am Alice, a sister in pain, like Bent’s sister Toril who can tell him: I know what you are talking about, I know dad and mom and the answers they gave us because I can finally feel. And Bent can say the same to Toril. I am not the author here, I am one of the people who endured like you a horror in their childhood and who enjoy to know that what they say in English or German or whatever will not be received as sounding Chinese to others. Can you imagine that I had this feeling all my life until recently? Thank you all for being there. Alice Miller Read More >>
From: JB Subject: RE: The danger of gurusTo: “‘SylvieDate: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:42 PM About your last email
. . . we are definitely not in to gurus. Gurus present themselves as sort of perfect, which is ridiculous, and then don’t let you get close enough to see how they really live on an every day basis. We are about a real togetherness, where everyone can manifest their total aliveness, not just a guru. I think it’s great to learn from one another, as long as each of us knows that we actually have to make the moves to live and doesn’t try to live through any one else.
See you tomorrow, hopefully! JB
From: Sylvie Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:23 PMTo: JBSubject: RE: The danger of gurus.
Thank you JB – Yes! Life is a lot more enjoyable when is shared with other like minded people and truthful have faced their own personal history and repressions, otherwise the compulsion of repetition will continue. hopefully I will see you after tomorrow, Sylvie
From: JB Sent: Tursday, March 18, 2010 9:07 AM To: Sylvie Subject: The Danger of gurus.
So true, Sylvie. We wake up so that we don’t have to repeat any more Also, about wondering if physical immortality is an illusion . . . what we are feeling is that the real illusion is that we have to fall apart and die. We feel this is all connected to an old way of living that doesn’t want to change, doesn’t want to wake up. So they live in the illusion that there is no other option, which frees them from the responsibility of really awake! But we are taking that responsibility because we are so tired of repeating the old life. We are waking ourselves up.
From: Sylvie Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:44 AM To: JBSubject: Re: Radio show
Good morning JB, I hope the weekend event was fun. I have marked my calendar for next month event! So nothing will get in the way now, I am looking forward it, even though I feel going to a weekend event is like getting both feet in and I am not too comfortable with both feet in it. In my entire life I have never entered anything with both feet, I always have kept one foot out and looking back in my life I see it was a life saver, because I have avoided from falling into traps. Have a great Monday, Sylvie Schiavone: “You see all religions believe in a god…” Actually, Ms. Shene, not all religions believe in a deity or deities. Buddhism and Confucianism are examples. There are even Jews who consider themselves atheists. But even in secul…ar doctrines, there are illusions, such as “negative” and “positive” feelings in Buddhism and the emphasis of respecting and honoring parents/ancestors regardless of how horrible they are in Confucianism and other secular philosophies. Even if the higher power isn’t God, Allah, etc., parents/ancestors take the deity’s place in this situation. Living in denial is dangerous whether someone believes in a god or not.
“Michael Jackson might still be here with us today if he had someone in his life with courage to speak the truth to him.” True, but it would have been much better if he had the courage within him to condemn his cruel and greedy father. (And to a less extent, his mother for not doing enough to protect him and his siblings.) Yes, someone could have told him the truth, but it would have been up to him to accept it. In other words, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.”
Posted by Schiavonne on Saturday, October 30, 2010 – 12:41 PM
sylvieshene.com: Thank you Schiavone. You are right, not all religions believe in god, but all do have illusions!!! Thank you for bringing it to my attention and I will change it to most religions. I agree with everything you wrote. You are so right at the end it has to be the individual to have the courage to see and feel his own painful truth.
Posted by sylvieshene.com on Saturday, October 30, 2010 – 12:58 PM
I deleted some nasty comments with personals attacks from a few loyal members of People Unlimited, Inc. I guess the words in the book “Combatting Cult Mind Control” by Steven Hasson are very accurate and they came very true to me: “Anyone who finds himself in a cult confession session should remember this warning: Anything you say can and will be used against you. This device can even extend to blackmail if you leave the cult. [p.63] Information control also extends across all relationships. People are not allowed to talk to each other about anything critical of the leader, doctrine, or organization. Members must spy on each other and report improper activities or comments to leaders. [p.65] Most importantly, people are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics. Those who could provide the most information are the ones to be especially shunned. [p.65] Cult members naturally feel they know more about what’s going on in their group than outsiders do, but in counseling ex-members I find that they often know the least. [p.65] Destructive organizations also control information by having many levels of “truth.” Cult ideologies have “outsider” doctrines and “insider” doctrines. The outsider material is relatively bland stuff for the general public or fresh converts. The inner doctrines are unveiled only gradually as a person gets in deeper. [p.66] Ironically, members of cults look down on anyone involved in any other cult groups. They are very quick to acknowledge that “Those people are in a cult” or “They are the ones who are brainwashed.” They are unable to step out of their own situations and look at themselves objectively. [p.80] Problems are always the fault of the member, and are due to his weak faith, his lack of understanding, “bad ancestors,” evil spirits, and so forth. He perpetually feels guilty for not meeting standards. . . . In every destructive cult I have encountered, fear is a major motivator. [p.82] One of the most obvious signs of a person in a mind control group is a lack of independent decision making abilities. Even though cult members try to convince outsiders that they are autonomous, once you probe beyond the surface it becomes obvious that they cannot make important decisions without first asking permission from superiors. [p.102-103]
(So true when I used to ask questions to JB,he would never have an answer, but would come later with an answer that I knew did not come from him, but was the leader’s words. It was sad to witness.) Every person in a cult has been programmed to stop all “negative” thoughts about the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, and has also been indoctrinated to believe that this group is superior to all other groups and different from all other groups. [p.165]”Cult leaders work very hard to enslave the members, but at the same time they don’t realize that in order to keep slaves they are enslaving themselves also!!!! It’s hard work to keep slaves!!! Most people objective is not freedom for themselves and others, most people objective is to one day have their own slaves. The easiest way to have our own slaves is to give birth to them, but it’s very hard work to raise your own slaves!!! Ask Amy Chua the “Tiger Mother
” and there is a big risk that they might rebel one day! Reading this article sounds like completely misery to raising your own slaves.
“Thank you so much! I apploud your courage to stand up for your soul! Your efforts have brought light into a dark place for me,Thank you:-) Typo! Applaud?” I understood what you meant! I didn’t even notice the word was misspelled! 🙂 I am the worst speller in the world and writing is one of the hardest thing for me to do in life. Your words are very encouraging to me to keep trying and do my best to expose the lies and hypocrisy of our society. Your comments shows me that are people out there that appreciate to hear the truth even if it is not well articulated, but sadly most people in our society rather have well-articulated seductive lies and disconnected half-truths that charismatic and very articulate people memorize like parrots to fool them. I wish you courage and strength to always look behind the pretty veils people wear and see the naked truth no matter how much it hurts, because without it true healing and true liberation will never be possible. I wish you much luck in your journey.
MM: Omg I am speechless! my grandmother has been apart of PU for the past 20yrs! she went for a visit one summer and when she returned home she sold her home and possesions and that was the last time we ever saw her,she refuses to come back! she is so brainwashed that its scary!!! In conversation she sounds like a programmed robot nothing she says sounds like its coming from her true self! she posted a stat on fb stating that she “praised” CBJ for keeping her alive! I immidiatly felt a sick feeling in the pit of my stomuch! I knew already that PU was cult because i have been researching it for many years,my grandmother is 75! And dead broke! and completly brainwashed! i fear i will never see her again due to the fact that CBJ has complete control of her life : (
Hi M, Thank you for writing. I am sorry you lost your grandmother to the cult people unlimited. They prey especially on vulnerable emotionally blind people with money or especial gifts and talents and they manipulate them to give them all their money and souls, so they can keep exploiting them to feed their addictions and lavish life style and keep their own repression intact. I am glad my blog was helpful to you. Yes the followers of people unlimited become programed robots without souls and if you ask them a question they have not been programed for it, they will not answer it until they talk to the top leader. The young man JB I talk about in my blog when I asked him if he ever even asked himself if people unlimited could be an illusion, he stayed quiet and with no answer and then like a little child would go to his mother for guidance, he went to the top cult leader and then later send me an e-mail with the answer below that of course didn’t come from him, but the leader, it was so sad to witness a 42 years old man not having his own feelings and thoughts and looking constantly for the leader “his mother figure” constant approval: “Also, about wondering if physical immortality is an illusion . . . what we are feeling is that the real illusion is that we have to fall apart and die. We feel this is all connected to an old way of living that doesn’t want to change, doesn’t want to wake up. So they live in the illusion that there is no other option, which frees them from the responsibility of really awake! But we are taking that responsibility because we are so tired of repeating the old life. We are waking ourselves up” So sad that they don’t see they are the ones in deep sleep, repressed and not awake whatsoever, stuck in the emotional prison of their childhood or time capsule endless unconsciously and compulsively reenacting their childhood drama without a way out.
Just like Alice Miller says: “MANY PROBLEMS APPEAR in a new light when we look to childhood as a source of possible explanations. We are living in an age in which democracies are gaining the upper hand over dictatorships. At the same time the cult-group phenomenon is an indication that there is a growth in the number of totalitarian systems to which people voluntarily submit themselves. People growing up in a spirit of liberty and tolerance, accepted in childhood for what they are, rather than being throttled and stunted by their upbringing, would hardly place themselves at the mercy of a cult group of their own accord. And if by chance or skillful manipulation, they did fall afoul of such an organization, they certainly would not stay there very long. But many people joining such groups seem completely indifferent to the fact that their new surroundings are powered by mechanisms expressly designed to subjugate them, to rob them, of the freedom to think, to act, and feel as they see fit. They seem completely impervious to the fact such groups set out to impose an Orwellian form of surveillance and demand for mindless obedience from which the prospects of escaping are more or less nil. Years of brainwashing and indoctrination ensure that the victims are kept unaware of the insidious harm being done to their personalities. They have no notion of the price they have paid for their malleability because they have no notion that there is any alternative. The thing that concerns me most about cult groups is the unconscious manipulations that I have described in detail in my work. It is the way in which the repressed and unreflected childhood biographies of parents and therapists influence the lives of children and patients entrusted to their care without anyone involved actually realizing it. At first glance, it may seem as if what goes on in cults and cult like therapy groups takes place on a different level from the unconscious manipulation of children by their parents. We assume that in the former instance we are in the presence of an intentional, careful planned and organized form of manipulation aimed at exploiting the specific predicament of individuals. …Thus they sparked off a conflagration they were unable to control, much less extinguish. First, they had learned how to reduce people to the emotional state of the helpless child. Once they had achieved that, they also learned how to use unconscious regression to exercise total control over their victims. From then on, what they did seemed to come automatically, in accordance, with the child-rearing patterns instilled into them in their own childhood.” Read more
L: Super Sylvie, What is the difference between a piece of coal and a diamond?
I just deleted some nasty comments with personals attacks from a few loyal members of People Unlimited, Inc. I guess the words in the book “Combatting Cult Mind Control” by Steven Hasson are very accurate and they just came very true to me. “Anyone who finds himself in a cult confession session should remember this warning: Anything you say can and will be used against you. This device can even extend to blackmail if you leave the cult. [p.63] Information control also extends across all relationships. People are not allowed to talk to each other about anything critical of the leader, doctrine, or organization. Members must spy on each other and report improper activities or comments to leaders. [p.65] Most importantly, people are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics. Those who could provide the most information are the ones to be especially shunned. [p.65] Cult members naturally feel they know more about what’s going on in their group than outsiders do, but in counseling ex-members I find that they often know the least. [p.65] Destructive organizations also control information by having many levels of “truth.” Cult ideologies have “outsider” doctrines and “insider” doctrines. The outsider material is relatively bland stuff for the general public or fresh converts. The inner doctrines are unveiled only gradually as a person gets in deeper. [p.66] Ironically, members of cults look down on anyone involved in any other cult groups. They are very quick to acknowledge that “Those people are in a cult” or “They are the ones who are brainwashed.” They are unable to step out of their own situations and look at themselves objectively. [p.80] Problems are always the fault of the member, and are due to his weak faith, his lack of understanding, “bad ancestors,” evil spirits, and so forth. He perpetually feels guilty for not meeting standards. . . . In every destructive cult I have encountered, fear is a major motivator. [p.82] One of the most obvious signs of a person in a mind control group is a lack of independent decision making abilities. Even though cult members try to convince outsiders that they are autonomous, once you probe beyond the surface it becomes obvious that they cannot make important decisions without first asking permission from superiors. [p.102-103] (So true when I used to ask questions to JB, he would never have an answer, but would come later with an answer that I knew did not come from him, but was the leader’s words. It was sad to witness.) Every person in a cult has been programmed to stop all “negative” thoughts about the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, and has also been indoctrinated to believe that this group is superior to all other groups and different from all other groups. [p.165]” I witnessed how hard they work at enslaving the members, but at the sometime they don’t realize that in order to keep slaves they are enslaving themselves also!!!! It’s hard work to keep slaves!!! Most people objective is not freedom for themselves and others most people objective is to one day have their own slaves. The easiest way to have our own slaves is to give birth to them, but it’s very hard work to raise your own slaves!!! Raising your own slaves is very hard work and not fun at all! Ask Amy Chua the “Tiger Mother
” and there is a big risk that they might rebel one day! Reading this article sounds like completely misery to raising your own slaves.
Jozi:I have a friend who is such a sweet woman…moved here from the other side of the world to be a part of this group. I am worried for her and have no idea how to broach it to her. I do not want to lose her as a friend but honestly…who really believes that there is a possibility of living forever? It simply is not biologically possible. For years and years perhaps but forever? Not gonna happen. I continue to be worried for my friend. If I suspect she is in danger I will step in. Til then all I can do is to pray for the best for her. J
Jozi, I am sorry People Unlimited cult got their invisible reins on your friend. When I was a guest in this cult I could feel their invisible reins trying to come and get me and for short moments they almost had me in spite of me being able to see very clear from the start, that it was all an illusion and they were not real, but they were so entertaining that I kept going and I thought they could not harm me as long I was aware they were just a show and an illusion. Before this experience with People Unlimited cult, I use to think that illusions could not harm us as long we see them for what they are and that it was okay to have fun with illusions for a awhile, but now thanks to this experience, I see that some illusions can be very dangerous even if we recognize them for what they are. Unless your friend wakes up and recognizes that she has fallen victim of their illusion it’s not much you can do.
SSRR88: I’ve never heard of this cult until I read your post. Though I’ll never meet them because I don’t live in Arizona, they kind of creep me out. I visited their website and they sound like an atheist version of a new age religion. I stay away from anything that sounds religious even if it’s headed by other atheists. This proves that even those who don’t believe in deities can hold on to illusions and manipulate poor victims into their schemes.
ssrr88, Thank you for your comment. “This proves that even those who don’t believe in deities can hold on to illusions and manipulate poor victims into their schemes.” Very well said, but you are not free from meeting them, because they travel around the country and the world to recruit new members, JB was a young man recruited in Israel from Washington DC, people move here to be with them from all over and what is really sad is that they bring people from other countries illegally and these poor people sale all their belongs in their countries to be with them. Some that wake up to their schemes and leave the group find themselves totally alone here with no place to turn and with no money. It’s very cruel what they do to people.
SSRR88: I think it’s very unlikely that they would come to an Illinoisan small town which is where I live; they seem to target big cities. But, I will watch out for them just to be on the safe side.